VINLAND SAGA S2 E22 Reaction & Thoughts | Animaechan

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Two men, one shared utopia, two different paths to achieve it: PEACE.

Violence for peace (what an oxymoron) or peace through pacifism. Which is the superior path?

Here Thorfinn shows us that violence can be overcome by pacifism.
Regrettably, very few individuals are capable of repeating such an accomplishment. Solving conflicts without resorting to violence is significantly more challenging. It's undeniably the harder of the two paths but it's also the most noble. Only true warriors, such as Thorfinn – or Jesus, as you've mentioned – can take it.

To provide some balance to this, one could argue that pursuing universal peace is already a utopian concept in itself. If on top of that we seek to achieve it solely through pacifism, it adds a "utopia to the utopia". Canute's path has the merit of being much more pragmatic.

Both sides have good arguments, it's up to the viewers to choose

And for you, which path is the best ? Personally, I've made my choice. I know I'll never be as great as Thorfinn, this man is infinitely superior to me, but at least I can try to be like him. There are already many "Canutes" in the world, but very few "Thorfinns". Maybe we need more people like Thorfinn in the world?

Sorry for the long message but I believe it was after reading this chapter that I truly understood the meaning of Vinland Saga (the famous 'I have no enemies' line 🥲). It deeply moved me and changed me as a man, so I wanted to pay tribute to the profound depth of this manga. Thank you Makoto YUKIMURA and also to you for all the effort you put into understanding this story, I really enjoy hearing your thoughts!

Speaking about right and worng and can you ''pay back'' for doing wrong- not really. It is, of course, a topic of discussion, yet there is no ''currency'' or any sort of karmic value that you could pay back for doing wrong. The same way how you cannot do a bunch of good things,w which will then make up for a bad thing, you cant do a bad thing and make up by doing a lot of good things, as there is no value scale that moves into the positives or the negatives, which you can impact. In a (seemingly) fair judgement system, there is only the factual concept of ''suffering is bad, harm causes suffering, you have caused harm, thus you have done bad and those are the facts. To not interfere with others within the society, not spread suffering, not become a target of suffering you will be locked up or, depending on the time period and law, be executed.'' There really is no ''making up for it'' in that regard. Of course there could be posed an argument that if he destroyed a house, he must dedicate his time a resources to build 2 in place, yet that would go back to the beginning of making up for bad by doing good. Doesn't really change what you did. Revenge is also a concept that has been a topic of discussion, and many stories talk about how revenge is never the answer. I would like to propose, that it might be. If one ha caused suffering to another, that other should be able to get ''pay back''. But again, what exactly is this payback, as there is no ''value exchange''? Which brings us to emotions and the fluctuations of the human mind. Repentance and forgiveness, then, seems to be the only viable pay back. A completely illogical concept, as if you forgive someone who has stolen from you or killed someone close to you, you still lose. They HAVE in fact taken value from your life, which will not come back. And you have accepted that loss and moved on. Repentance is the other side of the coin, as the culprit would have to seek shelter from his own festering regret, yet, in plenty of cases there is no regrets, besides getting caught. The human mind is capable of this, yet it rarely seems practical. Many religions and philosophies preach these abilities to forgive and repent, yet they are easily abused. But in general, I would like to summarize it in, that there is no pay back. You cannot and should not expect pay back from anything and anyone in life. The cruelty of it all is that no matter what you lose, no matter what is taken from you, nobody owes you a thing. You live and you build, and you lose without return. A harsh fact on the surface, yet, once you look deeper into it, you stand to gain a certain freedom many don't have. What that freedom is is for one to discover for themselves.

For me there are no good or bad people. As soon as you start judging people as bad people, you also open another door. You are one step away from labeling innocent people as evil just because they belong to the same group or nationality or whatever. There are only choices. And even about these decisions, in most cases, there are multiple truths. For example, if you hurt someone to protect someone, you can be good for one side and bad for the other side. I think people should stop thinking that a decision is the end of the road. Even if you make the wrong decision, you can still make the best of it. There has to be room for adjustment. (People will always make mistakes and learn and grow from them)

Saying that God controls the waves is a reference to the universe having laws. The laws of physics are the order within the chaos in the universer and nature. And Cannute saying that humans connot find paradise under God's rule is also a reference to christianity and how human nature goes against God's teachings. Killing is a sin and you can try to follow that command by not killing a person, but God also says that hating someone is "killing" them in your heart and it is impossible to not hate anyone in your life. Basically, however much you try to build paradise by following God's commandments, you will always fail because it goes against human nature. I could go on and on about how that problem is solved in the Bible because I have read it 4 times but this isnt that kind of discussion. Anyway, dope episode.

35:21 "There's so much that we can learn from history"

As a Yang Wen-li profile pic I approve. But seriously, the more I learn about history the more I want to learn. It's so damn interesting and there's so much to know

There's actually tons of history channels on youtube with hours upon hours of content

I was a bit skeptical at first with how little you reacted for a reaction channel but the analysis and note-taking is best the best thing Ive seen from a reaction channel.
Well thought and interesting, finally a channel I can relate to about the philosophy of shows. subbed!

35:12 YES the manga is very good

I see you have the Rogue hairstyle going on, you ever think of cosplaying her?

Canute is Askeladd's biggest mistake. Askeladd hated Vikings & Canute wants to save them. He would be so disappointed. I think we would never have gotten this story if askeladd was alive because he would have killed Canute himself.

Canute is badass

Thorfinn thinks the best way to escape from war and viking traditions like slavery is running away to a land far away from them. Canute thinks that if he becomes the leader of the vikings he can change them little by little and end their traditions. But first, Canute needs to earn their respect, and that is through war. But Thorfinn just earned their respect by peaceful means. How can you act with mercy and be a pacifist without showing weakness? I think the answer to that question is what being a true warrior means. And however finds the answer will become a great leader.

lol i pressed around 10 times around the vid and none of the video is playing

Your views and opinions of this episode, it's amazing really , I feel noone dares to put so much extra effort into analysing the philosophies to such depth , making notes , explaining to the audience as well as naturally reacting , it's amazing really @Animaechan

This entire episode of Vinland Saga was just incredible. It's quite possibly the best episode I've seen of any anime in this entire spring season. Almost everything in this episode was great in my opinion.

– The Vikings even Drott (who later apologised) having respect for Thorfinn as a true warrior.

– Thorfinn finally saying the words his father Thors (and even us viewers) wanted him to say and believe in all this time.

– Olmar admiring Thorfinn's determination and strength to fight for Ketil's farm without any violence.

– Einar showing us the pain of an average person getting caught in the violence caused by ideals of people like Canute.

– Canute's revealing his true ideals on how he will make his version of "Paradise" on earth.

CC captions at 10:12 "I don't think you could benefit from surfing" jajajahaha

It would be a dangerous position to side with Canute here even if he does all this to abolish slavery. Look how the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of "liberty democracy and women's rights" (in reality they invaded for oil and money but that's another topic) in a war that killed millions of people, and now these countries are in shambles and most of their people curse the americans, like Einar curses Canute here.

I agree with your take on having no enemies. It's really commendable for Thorfinn, from his Father, taking on such a mindset and way of life. I love it but I sadly find it so hopeless in the world we live in, & I feel that for him, holding up such a belief for the rest of his life would be near impossible, especially in that period of time. It's a very welcoming perspective, something I just wish everyone could understand. But that's why I am so drawn to this season, and our MC who will no doubt have this philosophy continously challenged from here on forward.

Canute was once a formidable foe at talk no jutsu and possibly as strong as naruto himself hence it made him king, seeing certain lines and how ppl already now but as expected stating him as true warrior and now thorfinn becomes a true protagonist, a warrior and will dethrone canute in talk no jutsu DATTEBAYO!

I absolutely LOVE your pre-reaction rant 😂❤

this is the first video I am watching on your channel, and youve got me subscribed, you seem reasonable! keep it up lad

The cat is watching you like who is she talking too 😂😂